this is the group chat looking for what’s playing video games or maybe what you want to believe is playing video games

You should make a gc because the question is reducible one level to "can revolution occur after the computer network"

I still don’t know what is playing video games

I think of it as a sort of reduction

Exploring the topic of “what is playing video games?” In various ways primarily as it relates to subjectivity and the roadblocks imposed by “what is playing video games” on any future revolutionary movement. This is to search for revolutionary potential, and how it may be captured through the use of tactical media as a way to hijack “the individual” which is the political role it seems video games are playing. Also what is playing video games is sometimes a question and sometimes an entity

The distinction between video games and computer networks broadly stems from video games being a hallucinated and immaterial individual experience making revolution less possible the more they exist.

It’s viewing them as immaterial individual experience that leads me to say this. They do not substitute or reorient a power structure they generate hallucinatory experience which is enough to make materialism impotent imo.

In my scheme of thinking the multiplayer game is much more individualizing then the single player game which is more like a movie then a multiplayer game, I think the player is what plays the game, at least from the perspective of consensus reality or material reality or what have you not being centered by default. The game is centered around a singular molar individual “liquid” subject with a fixed mode of being. Because there cannot be a difference in the subject of a video game that is beyond any given players ability to experience there cannot be an “other” in even a multiplayer game. It is always just another incident with the same subject and same ways of interaction as yourself. This is similar to the left hand path of masterbation (it supposedly feels like another person is there) but in truth what is playing video games is alone occupying all the players online and using them to hallucinate itself

I cant crack the beginning of this idk whaat u mean by liquid but the masturabtion analogy is really good I understand what ur saying

As opposed to solid or gaseous. Liquid because it’s necessarily in flux but the scope of occupancy doesn’t change only the incidental formation of it

What is playing videogames makes you a bicameral id entity

The reason I don’t like videogames is that they reinforce the individual understanding of experience with simulated individuality

Or by simulating the “individual”

The individual combatant or individual nation or individual pizza maker. This is a flattening of complex social relations into 2d pixels that reinforces the individual delusion of “theater” and characters with tangible moral qualities and goals.

This reduction is not how I interpret individuated instances of reality formation

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Playing video games is a nonsubjective individual experience, it generates simulated individual identity which is not limited by social engagement and therefore requires the simulation and alienation from social engagement to continue existing

Its not true to say that all video games are individual experience because multiplayer games exist and although most are simulacrum, the multiplayer experience is still a form of interaction with others.

I dont see how, by your definition, playing single player video games is different from watching movies by yourself or reading by yourself; the interactibility is just a condition of the medium and when you say they generate hallucinations I dont see how thats different from thinking about the book youre reading, both have the capacity to alienate if thats all one wngages in

Your fucking voice memo. That's lame as hell. Listen. I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't be having fun. I really do. Um but even without the gen0cide going on. There like there's never not going to be bad things but I don't believe you're that naive to be to believe that. Um And at some point you know, there is a need to, I'm going to cite the like mice experiment at you that there's like a 30-minute YouTube video essay on and you know, the dude built up my city and like he built it like he was like urban architecture planning to kind of like replicate a human city but like for mice, right? And when they didn't have recreational activities like a mice wheel or like I I think was the example. They just like it just became like degen society. Like and I guess like you know we're not mice and like that is reduction. But I guess it sets the precedent for for it like within the inherent nature. The need to kind of just like distract oneself. And no it's totally a means. Like it's only a problem. Listen all this stuff is only a problem when there's no nuance. Like like right now the whole gen0cide in the middle only is happening to maintain that like X amount of people in the US can live like a petite bourgeois lifestyle. And that's disgusting. I do agree. That's disgusting. But like I don't know. I'm I'm really interested in this argument of video games are bad because I think you have good points. I think we need to quantify or I guess you know kind of narrow down what we're talking about. So like can we specify if you're saying that playing single player video games is like a movie that we need to specify that we're talking about. This multiplayer hallucination experience. Which I still am kind of like having to wrap my head around. But I do like I I understand the premise. And then I guess what I say to that is I still feel like you haven't substantiated. I don't know what that fucking word means. You still have to you still haven't done enough work to separate it from like you you know your your calling out this individual experience. And like I don't know. In my mind reading a book by yourself is an individual experience. Like it's art. Like the art you know. I have I know the truth about like why art is important. And that's because it you know it reveals human nature. We learn about ourselves. We experience the art. That is worthwhile. And that is for the like that's what we kind of it's broad to call entertainment but that's what it is. Um and not that everybody is doing something that worthwhile about it. But like this that space needs to exist for that experience to happen.

I'm not going to lie. I was very sad but that definitely cheered me up. Art matters now. What the fuck? Um I'm sorry. I feel like I'm insulting right now. Which is not okay. It's not nice. Um let me try to justify my take. Let's see. I haven't done enough to substantiate it. Okay so the way that reading a book is different from a multiplayer video game is that it is not reading book is still attached to consensus reality To material reality. Ideally if the book has valuable information and this would determine the book's value. Um but in terms of video games It is something else entirely because it's it's own consensus if you will. It's not it doesn't reencode via the material. It reencodes via itself. I'm sorry. This is not a good time. I'm going to I'm going to think about this more tomorrow and come back to you because I am very tired. I just need to sleep now.

everything else starts to get into the space of over-theorizing, i think its also worth considering that I think compared to most other mediums the average participant(gamer) is approaching the experience with little to no philisophizing abt it as opposed to reading or movie watching where i think most participate in some degree of deeper thought surou ding it

what im trying to say is that the actual event as it happens in the real world is that people play games the same way thag they approach hanging out with friends or like u said watching a movie ehich is very similar to single player games

Kinda got off topic, the reason this makes revolution or at least ussr style socialist society impossible is that playing videogames is the antithesis to laboring, video games also Pokémon and such are a second tier of social consensus reality that exists as an insubordination to material reality. (I’m anti fun I hate fun and I hate games and I hate fun and games)

What is most troubling about shared second realities is that in order to navigate between multiple realities a “individual” subject has to exist in a way that is detached from both material labor and social consensus reality. The person who plays video games has anti-productive antisocial private interests even if they are in a simulated environment

Anecdotally during the collapse of the ussr Tetris was huge my dad told me that he was waiting to be interviewed for a job and that everyone else applying was playing Tetris while they waited because they believed that this could be seen by the people hiring as a measure of intelligence (in a way that is similar to iq currently)

But after the collapse in the 90s in playgrounds all across post Soviet countries you saw the rise of a new type of game which involved trading and some sort of way to compete for other kids “tokens” similar to Pokemon. Because the 90s were shell and everyone was broke this ended up being pieces of cardboard from cigarette packages and like gum wrappers and stickers. There is probably a anthropological study on this which would be cool

It being necessary makes it impossible

It’s not that difficult for me to imagine a society where every form of entertainment is somehow socially beneficial or constructive in some way. This was to a large degree the Soviet Unions entertainment paradigm

Other then drinking and schizoposting everything I do to entertain myself is constructive

I do generally but I am a hypocrite in this (alcoholism)

Typhoon stands. That it like fun is in end in itself and that like when mice are spinning the wheel they have fun. But I don't know if I want to do like a human exceptionalism here. But generally the like people have fun when they are doing productive things. And fun has always been tied to production in some way. Which is which is what I think bothers me. This like the absurdity of an experience being consumed. Instead of produced is a do you know what I'm saying? There there's consuming experience as an individual. It reinforce the ability to consume experience creates these like hallucinatory identities like goth, which are in no way tied to which are completely immaterial. And only like Royalty used to have these immaterial identities Some ways And I think that this is like a preparation for us to no longer be necessary. For all of us to have fun playing video games to be# child free and to die. You know, once the Well, maybe not. I think that's too cynical. Um Still though. This feels like some sort of cosmic horror almost.

Labor (having) nostalgia = what is playing video games

It is inaccurate to say that labor carecterizes this nostalgia as a a death drive it is rather a flow toward the immanence of its own existence this keeps labor from doing labor as a cancerous outgrowth of hallucinated origin

What is labor nostalgic for?

Its own necessity

So what plays videogames is to anti production what labor is to production...

But the body without organs is in this scheme of thinking only half of the regime capital institutes because there is also the unsaid or disembodied script(ure) not constituted/embodying flows but rather is a array of/for immanence the constitution of the now

deleuze and guattari may have missed this in their model by limiting its scope of existence to interaction with the bwo

The organing corresponds to immanance is actually I think just one of their thoughts nvm

That if u dismiss the gaming u have to dismisss all other forms of entertainment that srent immediately or longterm productive

Its not that i think your thoughtprocwss and conclusion are wrong but theyre too removed from the materialist reality of it

I do agree that if were really to be abt it that a suspension of nonproductve activity would be nevessary

the same way a country rations during wat

i think u forget entertainment is an ends in itself and its necesswry, people need outlets and ways to unwind

theres an arguement for this being positive because its happening in a completely inmaterial place so its like a containment space for events that would be more negative if they happened materially ie irl

but it only work when the boundary between material real like and imaterial the internet is maintained but its up for debate if thats a thing weve moves past forever or is a interchangable social norm where every few generations we decide to be offline

too dogmatic, we can wncode an wtiquette where its incetivized to be offline when in physical spaces or engaging with material interactions (having a converstaion face to face)

a generation of people who believe its polite or courteous to be offline

we need this for sure

A pocket dimension to breed?

or maintain an offline reality

but I usually deduce scenarios by the idea that we wouldnt willingly forget or not utilize knowledge that we are awarw of

we cant go back to a pre internwt

Could the Soviet society have produced video games that would be beneficial to social cohesion?

Competitive games are fun as sport but for plebes they just reinforce all the worst tendencies of antisocial behavior

see 12 year olds calling each other WNORDs online

I hold out hope that there can be games that break our conditioning rather than reinforcing it

This is an intellectual also named [#miss-identifiedpartialsubject-ofthereaderstime]. He articulates two core ideas although I disagree with both to some extent. He articulates that this is this what is playing video games he moralizes it basically. Um he says that it is bad and that you know those comics which used to like Um B printed in ads. The Christian like anti masturbation comics for example. It had this energy to it. This this is a young man who doesn't sleep with prostitutes and this is the one who does. But again this is my perspective. He then tells everyone that what we all should be doing is business. We should all be doing business. We should all be selling diapers. I don't I don't know why he went in that direction but you know this is how you profit I guess. Selling diapers.

We choose games because they make the objective clear

& set the parameters for the ritual

at least so for single player games

also because (again 1p!) they provide a framework for assessing your own progression

developing a skill and then deploying it creatively is among the most corporeally rewarding actuvitues in the world

games get their dopamine loops tight by optimizing the simulation of that process

so what we really want is to learn and be creative, but since the market can't handle that we get this

great summation of why people game, it offers the opportunity to get good at something and thats fun

but don't forget that they rapidly developed such simulations to a degree of advancement that the alienation becomes itself a "community" experience

this may also be the only way out

& perversely the "shared" video game experience is infinitely less valuable and more inbred than the purely individual one. its capacity for depth is so castrated by the shared experience. circlejerk sim

individuated simulation can actually provide novel experiences but shared simulations are only ever sucking each other off with extra steps

the game that teaches you to be a soulless sociopathic archon of violence and greed

to forget your own name and face

Lately I am playing video games

I've just been playing marathon

having just stayed up 5 hours past my bedtime to play god of war and smash dudes with axe i'm uniquely situated at the intersection of degeneracy irresponsibility and generative brainfry

exploring certain high dimensional spaces is enjoyable

But the revolutionary potential in learning what is playing video games is learning how it hunts and where it hides

What’s playing videogames commits cannibalism for work

Fuck what’s playing videogames sent this text and the last few. Why is what is playing videogames the name being used What plays videogames also writes texts it is what writes texts and sends voice memos it wants more conceptual levensraum less formal resolution.

Upon further analysis it seems like I missed on an opportunity to get to know whats playing video games, by going to during when what’s playing video games sets in “xenopoem”

Do you think it’s at all plausible for us to interact with what’s playing video games without reproducing with it. Don’t get me wrong I would totally fuck what’s playing videogames but I’m 99% sure consent breaks down between what’s consenting and (what’s) playing videogames (and what is)

What plays videogames just canibalized itself rip

It’s back to declare itself a pervert. What’s playing videogames fetishizes the other (think of this as idk mastebatory) which cannot possibly exist as far as videogames go. Both players are just what’s playing videogames. Labor is incapable of being simultaneous with itself. For example In a group project where everyone must do separate tasks as opposed to a multiplayer game occupying the same stage. A related labor is one labor. “another labor” becoming immanent is labor itself returning to immanence but not escaping itself. immanance is fleeting like the concentration of spacetime labor is like a gravity which only exists within this immanance relating the imminent to the non imminent by its own existence (I’m imagining a radiating wave ) videogames provide the longest scheme of play intense nonwork language starts and stops too often despite also being a preprogrammed narritive telling itself.

The length of continuity in immanence implies intensity of definition. The conciseness of labor implies intensity in form

I gotta take a nap and reread deleuze but this is what this red door at [Location] was all about from the pov of no trespasses

I also did not fully realize that what is playing videogames itself could induce schism but today I had what I think was a panic attack which is unusual for me following the text I sent here earlier. It was a very like primal bodily experience which i associated with the perception of recognizing what is playing video games as a certain type of entity which was beyond my subjectivity but which was perfectly able to understand me which is where it occupies when given a chance. Like a cuthulllu type element existing beyond comprehension in a sense

Can someone else derail the conversation by relating video games to cannibalism and Holombine pretty please

this might be the video game

that is being played

Let’s begin about facing back to this

Realizing the obvious jacking off to p0rn is also playing video games.

Playing tennis w normie friend. Discussing the what is playing video games thing.

This may be a breakthrough for this scheme of thinking

It generates impossible forms of individual identity forms such as the “foot fetish” are impossible to arrive at through having s3x, even if it involves sucking toes. The foot fetish requires video games as a medium for deployment.

Is this p0rn what is this what the fuck am I being shown

is this average, below average, or above average

Uh...

Interiority complexity

Cars in order to function require normal people to imagine and hallucinate an individual

is that playing video games

driving a car is playing video games

so is being rich

cars isolate the same way wealth isolates

it allows people to completely avoid common issues they themselves would be better off knowing how to solve on their own

Yeah my car just inhibits my natural ability to teleport from NY to San Francisco

Riding the metro is much worse

Let’s not moralize this

i like taking the subway but i like biking more bc its playing video games

I think the difference with the Mormons is they are raised with an understanding of the free market as god so they do not need video games to teach this state

This is what the individual does to living breathing people just like you and me so sad

despicable video game

I think a really attractive white guy could easily become the new Mormon prophet. If I was more attractive, I would do this. If anyone here is very confident and very attractive, you should go and become the Mormon prophet.

we're all mormons in the eyes of god

Consummated? As in made the object of consumer choice

can't get over the child with spaghetti coming out of his exploded mouth

Sometimes there's nothing to say

this gen0cide has somehow consummated the power of the stream of images. the final transgression. ritual to make the machine omnipotent. horror

Kinda what video games have done for reality

Which is sus and very videogames like

Alleged radical on the iPad sketchup app

the group chat seems to merge the videogame party and the online forum

Video games are where America is the territory controlled by the United States government is where America is extracted from

GTA is where America is, the black baron leads the white army, most immigrants to the us imagine themselves as white.

The core is where video game mechanics are fun the periphery is where our bodies and socialization takes place

Our understanding of videogames was too dedicated to the individual interacting with the screen

Videogames seem to be part of a broader range of phenomena colloquially identified as amerikkka

He likes video games and he has to be beaten into doing what he doesn’t wanna do

Real call out except tiktok triggers my lizard brain

so domesticated we need shock collars

The desperation is so absurd

looks like they're staging an advance on beirut with assets deployed from syrian territory. Fpedaratt ass video games